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07.08.2012/2.14-

Speaker/the Hon. Hunnais Farook

වරප්‍රසාද :  පාර්ලිමේන්තුවේ කරන ලද ප්‍රකාශය සම්බන්ධයෙන් මහේස්ත්‍රාත්වරයා ප්‍රශ්න කිරීම

சிறப்புரிமை: பாராளுமன்றத்தில் வெளிப்படுத்திய கூற்று சம்பந்தமாக  நீதவான் கேள்வியெழுப்பியமை

PRIVILEGE: QUESTIONING BY MAGISTRATE OF A STATEMENT MADE IN PARLIAMENT

ගරු හුනෙයිස් ෆාරූක් මහතා

(மாண்புமிகு ஹுனைஸ் பாறூக்)

(The  Hon.   Hunais Farook)

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem.

Hon. Speaker, I wish to raise the following matter of Privilege:

Together with five other  lawyers, I appeared before the Mannar Magistrate, Mr. A. Judeson, on behalf of my client on 31^st July, 2012.

Contrary to the usual practice of hearing, the Magistrate summoned us to his Chamber to make our submissions. Then Senior Counsel, Mr. Shiraz Noordeen made an appearance and mentioned my name. Thereupon, the Magistrate in a hoarse voice said, “Who is this person? I want to see him..” and the moment he saw me, he shouted at me in Tamil Language:

"நீர் தானா  என்னைப்பற்றிப்  பாராளுமன்றத்திலே கதைத்தீர்? - பத்திரிகையிலும் போட்டுள்ளீர்.   நீர் ஆர்ப்பாட்டத்தில் கலந்துகொண்டீரா?" என்று கடுமையான தொனியில் கூறினார்.

He said, “Were you the person who spoke about me in Parliament? Were you the person who published news about me in the newspapers? Were you there in the Mannar protest?” 

‘நீர்’ කියන දෙමළ වචනයේ සිංහල තේරුම කිව්වොත් 'උඹ'. Magistrate මට කිව්වා,"උඹ නේද, පාර්ලිමේන්තුවේ මා ගැන කථා කළේ; පත්තරවල ප්‍රවෘත්ති පළ කරලා තිබෙන්නේ; උඹ විරෝධතා රැළියට සහභාගි වුණාද?" කියලා. ඒ වාගේ ඔහු කථා කළා.

Whereupon, I politely replied, "Your Honour, I am appearing before you as a Counsel for my client in this case and I do not wish to discuss extraneous matters". Thereupon, the Magistrate frowned and stared at me for a few seconds. Then, my Senior Counsel, Mr. Shiraz Noordeen intervened and politely informed the Magistrate that it was not proper for him to treat a counsel in that manner. Then, the Magistrate vociferously said, “I know how to conduct myself and I do not want advice from you. Do not teach me”.

The conduct of this Magistrate is clearly an affront to Parliament and is a breach of Privilege of a Member of Parliament. Therefore, I would submit before you, Hon. Speaker, that this matter is a breach of Privilege  and appeal that this incident be inquired into by you as the guardian of the rights and privileges of Members of Parliament.

நான் ஒரு பாராளுமன்ற உறுப்பினர் என்பது அவருக்கு நன்றாகத் தெரியும். ஏனெனில் கடந்த நான்கரை வருட காலமாக அவர் மன்னார் மாவட்டத்தில் Magistrate ஆகக் கடமையாற்றுகிறார். அதுமட்டுமன்றி, அவர் மன்னார் மாவட்டத்திலேயே திருமணம் செய்திருக்கிறார். நானும் மன்னார் மாவட்டத்தைச் சேர்ந்தவன். மன்னார் மாவட்ட மக்களால் தெரிவுசெய்யப்பட்ட பாராளுமன்றப் பிரதிநிதி. எனவே, நான் ஒரு பாராளுமன்ற உறுப்பினர் மற்றும் ஒரு சட்டத்தரணி என்பதை அறிந்திருந்தும் அந்த நீதவான் என்னுடன் அந்த இடத்தில் நடந்துகொண்ட விதம்  பாராளுமன்றத்தை அவமதிப்பதாகவும் ஒரு பாராளுமன்ற உறுப்பினரின் சிறப்புரிமையை மீறுகின்ற செயலாகவும் அமைகிறது. ஆகவே, கெளரவ சபாநாயகர் அவர்களே இவ்விடயத்தைக் கவனத்தில் கொள்ளவேண்டுமெனக் கேட்டுக்கொள்கின்றேன்.நன்றி.  வணக்கம்.

                                               

ගරු  රනිල් වික්‍රමසිංහ මහතා 

(மாண்புமிகு ரணில் விக்கிரமசிங்க)

(The Hon. Ranil Wickremasinghe)

Hon. Speaker, the Hon. Member mentioned that he had made critical remarks in this House about the Magistrate  and as a result this issue has been raised  regarding what he has said in this House. Now, I would like to draw your attention to Standing Order No. 78. It states, I quote:

"The conduct of the President, or acting President, Members of Parliament, Judges or other persons engaged in the administration of justice shall not be raised except upon a substantive motion; .."

The Hon. Member has now admitted that he has breached Standing Order No. 78 by raising this Question of Privilege without a Substantive Motion.

The other matter, especially  in regard to the Mannar incident and the Magistrate, is under sub judice.  I think that matter should best be inquired there. This is not an independent matter that has come up by itself. But, there is a very serious case where an allegation has been made that a Minister has threatened - [Interruption.] I have not named anyone but a Minister has threatened a judge. That is all that I have said. In that whole thing -  [Interruption.]

ගරු අල්හාජ් ඒ.එච්.එම්. අස්වර් මහතා

(மாண்புமிகு அல்ஹாஜ் ஏ.எச்.எம். அஸ்வர்)

(The Hon. Alhaj A.H.M. Azwer)

Sir, I rise to a point of Order.

කථානායකතුමා

(சபாநாயகர் அவர்கள்)

(Mr. Speaker)

There is a point of Order being raised by the Hon. Alhaj A.H.M. Azwer. 

ගරු අල්හාජ් ඒ.එච්.එම්. අස්වර් මහතා

(மாண்புமிகு அல்ஹாஜ் ஏ.எச்.எம். அஸ்வர்)

(The Hon. Alhaj A.H.M. Azwer)

Sir, the Leader of the Opposition is violating the Standing Orders. The Hon. Hunais Farook  never mentioned the name of the Minister. What he tried to make in his speech, Sir, is that the Magistrate has violated his rights as a Member of  Parliament. He has all the right to speak because the Legislature has the power. We cannot give that to any other body.  Sir, therefore, speeches made in Parliament cannot be questioned elsewhere. That is why he is raising the matter of Privilege. The Leader of the Opposition has no right to intervene in this, Sir.

කථානායකතුමා

(சபாநாயகர் அவர்கள்)

(Mr. Speaker)

පාර්ලිමේන්තුවේදී කරන ලද ප්‍රකාශයක් ගැනයි ඒ  මන්ත්‍රීතුමා ප්‍රකාශ කරන්නේ.

ගරු අල්හාජ් ඒ.එච්.එම්. අස්වර් මහතා

(மாண்புமிகு அல்ஹாஜ் ஏ.எச்.எம். அஸ்வர்)

(The Hon. Alhaj A.H.M. Azwer)

On whose behalf is he intervening? He is intervening on behalf of  conspirators to drive the Muslims away from Mannar.

කථානායකතුමා

(சபாநாயகர் அவர்கள்)

(Mr. Speaker)

දැන් මන්ත්‍රීතුමා  වාඩි වෙන්න. ඒ කරුණු කිව්වාට පස්සේ, ඒ ගැන පෙන්වලා දුන්නාට පස්සේ  ඒ ගැන මම බලන්නම්. [බාධා කිරීම්] හොඳයි, දැන්  ගරු විරුද්ධ පාර්ශ්වයේ  නායකතුමා මොකක්ද කියන්නේ? ගරු අස්වර් මන්ත්‍රීතුමා  වාඩි වෙන්න.

ගරු රනිල් වික්‍රමසිංහ මහතා

(மாண்புமிகு ரணில் விக்கிரமசிங்க)

(The Hon. Ranil Wickremasinghe)

I have not yet finished my point of Order. - [Interruption.]

කථානායකතුමා

(சபாநாயகர் அவர்கள்)

(Mr. Speaker)

අස්වර් මන්ත්‍රීතුමා  වාඩි වෙන්න. - [Interruption.] ඔබතුමා දැන් කියපු කාරණාව මට ඇහුණා. වාඩි වෙන්න.

ගරු රනිල් වික්‍රමසිංහ මහතා

(மாண்புமிகு ரணில் விக்கிரமசிங்க)

(The Hon. Ranil Wickremasinghe)

I have not yet finished with what I have to say; I do not know why they took this over.

කථානායකතුමා

(சபாநாயகர் அவர்கள்)

(Mr. Speaker)

එතුමා කියන දේටත් සවන් දීලා  මම අවශ්‍ය කටයතු කරන්නම්.

ගරු රනිල් වික්‍රමසිංහ මහතා

(மாண்புமிகு ரணில் விக்கிரமசிங்க)

(The Hon. Ranil Wickremasinghe)

Hon. Speaker, as far as Parliament is concerned, we act under Article 4(c) of the Constitution where judicial power is vested in us in regard to powers and privileges of our own Members. - [Interruption.] But now, is this an issue that pertains to the powers and privileges of our own Members or an indirect way of trying to get Parliament to interfere on a sub judice matter, in which case, it goes to the first portion of matters pertaining to judicial -[Interruption.] Will you sit down?  I listened to you. You all are a bunch of

[මූලාසනයේ අණ පරිදි ඉවත් කරන ලදී.]

[அக்கிராசனக் கட்டளைப்படி அகற்றப்பட்டுள்ளது]

[Expunged on the order of the Chair.]

a bunch of

[මූලාසනයේ අණ පරිදි ඉවත් කරන ලදී.]

[அக்கிராசனக் கட்டளைப்படி அகற்றப்பட்டுள்ளது]

[Expunged on the order of the Chair.]

You come here and tell me to shut up.  

කථානායකතුමා

(சபாநாயகர் அவர்கள்)

(Mr. Speaker)

විරුද්ධ පාර්ශ්වයේ නායකතුමා මතු කරපු ප්‍රශ්නය -

ගරු රනිල් වික්‍රමසිංහ මහතා

(மாண்புமிகு ரணில் விக்கிரமசிங்க)

(The Hon. Ranil Wickremasinghe)

මම නීතිය ගැන කථා කරන්නේ. නීතිය ගැන දන්නේ නැති අය ඇවිල්ලා මොකක්ද මේ ගරු සභාවේ කරන්නේ? අපේ මන්ත්‍රීවරයකුගේ වරප්‍රසාදයක් කඩ වනවා නම්  එය කවුරු කළත්, මමයි  ඉස්සර වෙලාම නැඟිටලා ඒකට විරුද්ධ වෙන්නේ. මම කියන්නේ ඒ සම්බන්ධයෙන් ක්‍රියා කරන්න කියලා. මම කියන්නේ, මෙතැන සිදු වෙලා තිබෙන්නේ  අපේ වරප්‍රසාද කඩවීමක්ද, නැත්නම් අධිකරණ බලතලවලට බලපෑමක් කරන්නට හදනවාද කියලා බලන්න කියලායි.

කථානායකතුමා

(சபாநாயகர் அவர்கள்)

(Mr. Speaker)

ගරු මන්ත්‍රීතුමාගේ ප්‍රකාශය ඉතාමත් පැහැදිලිව ඉදිරිපත් කළා, පාර්ලිමේන්තුවේදී මන්ත්‍රීවරයා ප්‍රකාශයක් කිරීම පිළිබඳව එතුමාට තර්ජනාත්මකව කථා කළා කියලා. එය මන්ත්‍රීවරයකුගේ වරප්‍රසාදයක් කඩවීමක් හැටියට මම පිළිගන්නවා.